Dee Karl: The Isles Circus is back in Town You knew it was too quiet.

You should be more careful about throwing the word "frivolous" out there about Barroway's suit. He attaches and references documents supportig his claims. You dont have access to enough information to make the claim that this is a "frivolous" lawsuit and likely other Bloggers dont either. None of us do. But in the grand scheme of things, would you really be surprised if Wang agreed to sell for one number then at the last minute reneged on his agreement?

I've seen enough of Charles Wang from a business and team owner perspective to make me believe that there is merit to Barroways suit. Charles Wang has very little perspective on things. It wouldnt surprise me if he used the Clippers as a measuring stick against whuch to value the isles, which is akin to comparing apples to car engines.

Of course Charles did not like Barroway's ideas. Barroway wanted to bring in solid hockey people and stay out of their way. Foreign concepts for Charles. The circus is not back in town as it never left because of Charles.

Did the circuis ever leave town?

Calling Barroway a "sleaze" is laugh out loud funny considering the idiot already owning the franchise. The fact that this crook thinks he can hold out for $520 Million for this franchise after having a handshake agreement in place as well as a exclusive negoitating window exclusively with Barroway shows you the type of disgusting human being Wang is. There is a reason this man can get nothing done when it comes to his business dealings. This franchise and the league will be in a much better situation once this man is removed from the league

Calling Barroway a "sleaze" is laugh out loud funny considering the idiot already owning the franchise. The fact that this crook thinks he can hold out for $520 Million for this franchise after having a handshake agreement in place as well as a exclusive negoitating window exclusively with Barroway shows you the type of disgusting human being Wang is. There is a reason this man can get nothing done when it comes to his business dealings. This franchise and the league will be in a much better situation once this man is removed from the league
- latorrem1

What amazes me is that writers like Dee are blindly loyal to Wang even after the past 15 years. It must be great to live in an idealistic world, a world in which you can cherry-pick the good things to remember about people but ignore the bad as if it never happened. Yes, he kept the team in NY and should be commended for that. But he's also runs the team like s**t. Sans a few 8th place finishes and one 5th place finish, this has consistently been a bottom five team since Wang took over, the same as it was consistently before he took over.

You should be more careful about throwing the word "frivolous" out there about Barroway's suit. He attaches and references documents supportig his claims. You dont have access to enough information to make the claim that this is a "frivolous" lawsuit and likely other Bloggers dont either. None of us do. But in the grand scheme of things, would you really be surprised if Wang agreed to sell for one number then at the last minute reneged on his agreement?

I've seen enough of Charles Wang from a business and team owner perspective to make me believe that there is merit to Barroways suit. Charles Wang has very little perspective on things. It wouldnt surprise me if he used the Clippers as a measuring stick against whuch to value the isles, which is akin to comparing apples to car engines.
- Jethro09

yep !

Calling Barroway a "sleaze" is laugh out loud funny considering the idiot already owning the franchise. The fact that this crook thinks he can hold out for $520 Million for this franchise after having a handshake agreement in place as well as a exclusive negoitating window exclusively with Barroway shows you the type of disgusting human being Wang is. There is a reason this man can get nothing done when it comes to his business dealings. This franchise and the league will be in a much better situation once this man is removed from the league
- latorrem1

It is hysterical isnt it? Do you even know who barroway is dee? You make comments like that when how many times has Wang faced jail time?

jesus christ Dee.

That "hedge fund sleaze" that's willing to pay above market value and keep that corrupt, meddling, lunatic Wang on as a 25% owner? Yeah, he's a total sleaze alright. Maybe Wang didn't get restitution from corrupt dump-hole-Nassau because they didn't have a contractual agreement for a break-up, like they did in this contract. Barroway didn't throw darts at a board and happen to hit $10M and fill in the blank he left on the lawsuit paperwork.

Why don't you just admit that you're an Islanders-xenophobe that is terrified of straying from anything that you're already too used to. You're complaining about someone buying the team who in the absolute worst case scenario will only be as bad as Wang already is, you've complained that the team is moving to the Barclays Center, a move that will do nothing but increase revenue and benefit the team..sorry if you have to schlep in further from Suffolk, luckily nobody else takes that into consideration. "Playing in the old barn" is a great story-line to wax poetic about, but it does diddly squat for us as a franchise.

You'll also likely pen some 1,000 word sap-fest when Josh Bailey gets traded, sent down, waived, whatever'ed on why "Your-Boy-Josh" is getting a raw deal and should be gifted the opportunity to play with Tavares or given top line PP minutes.

What amazes me is that writers like Dee are blindly loyal to Wang even after the past 15 years. It must be great to live in an idealistic world, a world in which you can cherry-pick the good things to remember about people but ignore the bad as if it never happened. Yes, he kept the team in NY and should be commended for that. But he's also runs the team like s**t. Sans a few 8th place finishes and one 5th place finish, this has consistently been a bottom five team since Wang took over, the same as it was consistently before he took over.
- Jethro09

I will always compare Wang's purchasing of the Islanders to rescuing an abandoned dog from being euthanized, only to take it home and consistently beat it for years.

I will always compare Wang's purchasing of the Islanders to rescuing an abandoned dog from being euthanized, only to take it home and consistently beat it for years.
- eichiefs9

Ha! That's pure gold!

from the article you linked Dee:

I have no idea how the lawsuit will play out, mostly because I’m a) not Charles Wang or Andrew Barroway, b) not a lawyer, and c) not prone to reckless speculation.

you may want to read this a couple more times and then go back and look at your blog.

Wang is an ass!!!

I can't believe he killed the deal...

Well...I guess I can.

Dee... you sticking up for Wang is just incredible...

from the article you linked Dee:



you may want to read this a couple more times and then go back and look at your blog.
- Isles_since_6

Or maybe:

1) Read the Daily News article, because it's not an Islanders amateur blogger

or

2) and this would be something you'd probably want to read before you make absolute statments...read the actual lawsuit paperwork. It doesn't have pictures but if you can tough it out it might just help to avoid some of the embarrassing errors and miscues in her blog.

Or maybe:

1) Read the Daily News article, because it's not an Islanders amateur blogger

or

2) and this would be something you'd probably want to read before you make absolute statments...read the actual lawsuit paperwork. It doesn't have pictures but if you can tough it out it might just help to avoid some of the embarrassing errors and miscues in her blog.
- eichiefs9

there should be legal popup picture books. I would read those

there should be legal popup picture books. I would read those
- Isles_since_6

Tort the Tortoise and Snail Statute save the day from big, mean Predator Precedent

Just sell the team already! Wang! You've run this franchise like its your "Red Haired Stepchild" for years. Now Ur having remorse over selling it?

Do something for the Fans Charlie. Close this chapter. Sell and sell fast. Become a distant bad memory in that annals of Islander history. NO ONE needs this to drag on any longer.

We deserve better. The Franchise deserves better then YOU! Take your money and leave. And never, ever come back!

Curious posts in here. So, as an outsider, I'll throw out some line and see how you guys take it.

Regardless of how the fan base feels about the current owner, someone attempting to sue over a "handshake" agreement seems absolutely insane to me. Granted, I don't know all the details. He wants 10mil for what? The ink used in drawing up a few proposal documents? I'm really confused as to why you guys feel he ought to get sued. Seems a bit like a a move to make a quick buck to me.

Curious posts in here. So, as an outsider, I'll throw out some line and see how you guys take it.

Regardless of how the fan base feels about the current owner, someone attempting to sue over a "handshake" agreement seems absolutely insane to me. Granted, I don't know all the details. He wants 10mil for what? The ink used in drawing up a few proposal documents? I'm really confused as to why you guys feel he ought to get sued. Seems a bit like a a move to make a quick buck to me.
- Jtr1p

Do some research on the topic and you'll have all the answers you're looking for

Do some research on the topic and you'll have all the answers you're looking for
- Vukota

Too easily dismissed. I understand that you guys want Wang out of town, but it still sounds like a scumbag move. Enlighten me with the quick and dirty please. I am, after all, looking for your opinions - not my own.

Too easily dismissed. I understand that you guys want Wang out of town, but it still sounds like a scumbag move. Enlighten me with the quick and dirty please. I am, after all, looking for your opinions - not my own.
- Jtr1p

There are a bunch of documents on the real Isles blog (Dan's blog). In short barroway is suing because according to him they had a handshake deal in front of lawyers for both sides on a purchase price of 400 million plus. Wang then backed out after the sale of the clippers went for 2 billion and then turned around and wanted over 500 million for the team. I guess there are also some signed documents as well but not 100% sure. If anything Wang looks bad in this not Barroway but there are two sides to every story I guess. Its much more in depth in Dan's blog. Not sure why I'm even in this cesspool of a blog

There are a bunch of documents on the real Isles blog (Dan's blog). In short barroway is suing because according to him they had a handshake deal in front of lawyers for both sides on a purchase price of 400 million plus. Wang then backed out after the sale of the clippers went for 2 billion and then turned around and wanted over 500 million for the team. I guess there are also some signed documents as well but not 100% sure. If anything Wang looks bad in this not Barroway but there are two sides to every story I guess. Its much more in depth in Dan's blog. Not sure why I'm even in this cesspool of a blog
- Vukota

Thanks! Once you get lawyers involved and ink hits the dotted lines it absolutely changes the tone a bit. Good luck gentlemen, see you on the other side!

Let me see if I understand this correctly, Dee. Barroway is a sleeze because he runs a hedgefund, but Wang just happened to avoid prosecution from his time at CA because the statute of limitations expired. Throwing around terms like sleeze is really something. How about "shill" or "organization's mouthpiece" or "unpaid intern for life" or "Wang's PR director"?

Do you know the definition of a "frivilous" lawsuit? It isn't just one that is without merit but so beyond the pale of relation that it baffles the legal profession. You don't argue that Wang and Barroway didn't have an agreement. You criticize the guy for wanting a $10 million dollar "break up" agreement enforced. Yeah, what a bastard.

It is simple...did they have a handshake agreement? If so, then Barroway's lawsuit isn't frivolous. Considering Wang's business methods of the past, I wouldn't put it past him, but I don't know. I wasn't in the room.

Thing is...neither were you.

So rather than rely or even bother to READ the stories by people MUCH more in the know than you, you pooh pooh those reports and tell your readers that there is one story to read.

Let me see if I understand this correctly, Dee. Barroway is a sleeze because he runs a hedgefund, but Wang just happened to avoid prosecution from his time at CA because the statute of limitations expired. Throwing around terms like sleeze is really something. How about "shill" or "organization's mouthpiece" or "unpaid intern for life" or "Wang's PR director"?

Do you know the definition of a "frivilous" lawsuit? It isn't just one that is without merit but so beyond the pale of relation that it baffles the legal profession. You don't argue that Wang and Barroway didn't have an agreement. You criticize the guy for wanting a $10 million dollar "break up" agreement enforced. Yeah, what a bastard.

It is simple...did they have a handshake agreement? If so, then Barroway's lawsuit isn't frivolous. Considering Wang's business methods of the past, I wouldn't put it past him, but I don't know. I wasn't in the room.

Thing is...neither were you.

So rather than rely or even bother to READ the stories by people MUCH more in the know than you, you pooh pooh those reports and tell your readers that there is one story to read..
- islander4cups

Standing Ovation

Thanks! Once you get lawyers involved and ink hits the dotted lines it absolutely changes the tone a bit. Good luck gentlemen, see you on the other side!
- Jtr1p

Apparently, there are emails from Isles execs to Barroway thanking him for such a smooth and quick process in coming to an agreement. If so, that could be your smoking gun.

This lawsuit isn't just about the 10 million dollar breakup fee. Apparently, Barroway is also asking the court to enforce the handshake deal, which they can do, and transfer the team to Barroway's ownership for the agreed upon price. And if that happens, Wang was supposed to get 25% stake in the ICE NY group that Barroway put together, but due to improper business practices the court could waive that and Wang would end up with no stake ... just the agreed upon price and he completely out the door.

So there is actually alot involved here. Barroway is respected by the NHL ownership. They'd love to have him as an owner. Wang is not respected and they can't wait to be rid of him. Word is the nhl is furious about this. Apparently Wang's people informed Barroway they were selling to a higher bidder...where is this higher bidder? There is no information about this.

Wang is nuts.